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Steve Murry (SM): We listened to the military radio, and that was pretty cool.&#13;
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SM: It was the…&#13;
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SM: Anyways, I used to get a ride that was a- I got a regular ride every day. I’d pick her up at 5 o’clock. It was a little, old, white lady. Gray hair, or white hair, and I’d drop her off in downtown Chicago at this big building. I didn’t know what was in there. We got to be kind of friendly, talking and stuff, and I finally asked her What the heck do you do down here? And she said I’m the night jock at WLUP. Trudy Fisher was her name. The powerhouse rock and roll station in Chicago.&#13;
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GR: Yeah.&#13;
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[Both chuckle]&#13;
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Caller: most people who talk about these issues are in the Democratic Party already, we’re the rank and file.&#13;
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Dr. Bevel. He was my mentor, like Dr. King, Dr. King asked him he said, “well, what are we going to do? The only people that are willing to go now are the children, we can’t put the children out there.” And Bevel figured out a way. So what did he do? He came out to the schools. He couldn’t come on the school grounds, so he set up perimeters, away from the school grounds. On the street, and he asked different people “who are the leaders?” If you were a leader of the student government, he wanted you. If you were the leader of the football team, he wanted you. Well see, I just happened to be the leader of my cheerleaders. So being agile, and somewhat loud, he wanted me. And I was so excited about that.&#13;
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