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Lewis Kendrick: Well, Trumon was a Birmingham guy and he worked somewhere. Had a regular job. And I’ve forgotten what he did really. But he would come out there and...had that hour program and then he got into promotion. In promoting groups coming into Birmingham to the auditorium for these concerts.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: Uh&#13;
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LK: Yeah. Totally.&#13;
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BF: Mhm. Trumon Puckett.&#13;
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LK: Right&#13;
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BF: That's remarkable&#13;
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LK: And, um, which a was most unusual thing.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: ..back then.&#13;
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LK: I mean it was borderline. Because normally Black managers and Black promoters did whatever was being done, with the Black people and.&#13;
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LK: And this was a… well I would say the beginning of a breakthrough on a lot of the amalgamation of the two.&#13;
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Caller: most people who talk about these issues are in the Democratic Party already, we’re the rank and file.&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: And I…&#13;
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Fifth Caller: White women and minorities. &#13;
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Dr. Fulani: In ‘84…&#13;
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Gary: Listen what she has to say…&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: In ‘84 when Reverend Jackson, I guess that was the Mondale race, tried to do exactly what you’re doing, what you’re saying about rallying the rank and file. The leadership of the party changed the rules of the game so that he went into the convention after having gotten twenty-one percent of the vote on the ground with eleven percent of the delegates, and the party structure, the leadership said, we’ll move the presidential election to keep the more progressive forces and black forces within this party from taking hold. That was 1984 and this is 2006. I learned that in 1985. &#13;
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I think the rank and file of the Democratic Party, which also went to the convention in the last presidential election with ninety-five percent or more of the delegates opposing the war, being forced to support the war by the likes of Hillary Clinton and John Kerry and everybody who got up on that stage, they ended up choosing a pro-war candidate whose greatest claim to fame was “vote for me because I’m not George Bush.” And, that said, I have no faith, it wouldn’t matter to me who is the rank and file within the party, that the party structure and leadership will be changed, no matter what the issues are that people have because you don’t have the power nor the respect, um, to change that-that party. I think it’s much easier, as hard as it is, to build something outside of that structure of the two parties because then you can build it on the ground, and shape it, and use it in the way that you do. &#13;
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Gary: Real leverage…&#13;
&#13;
Fifth Caller: Excuse me, I disagree with that. I think…&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: Well then why aren’t you all doing better? Why’d you let them change the rules on Jesse? How come Jesse got treated like that? Who do you think they were slapping in the face…&#13;
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Fifth Caller: That’s one incident.&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: Why didn’t you all make a pro, I mean an anti-war statement? How come the delegates at convention in 2001 didn’t stand up, or 2004, and say to the leadership, “we aren’t pro-war. These, the people that are going to be sent into war, our children</text>
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
NW: Yeah. Real gospel&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Bob Friedman: But it was the same group, huh?&#13;
&#13;
Bobby Smith: Yeah, same group that was at Tri-Phi. Went to, uh, Motown.&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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