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Bob Friedman: Uh, now you were close to gospel music&#13;
&#13;
Norman Wooding: Yeah. Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BF: For your entire life&#13;
&#13;
NW: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BF: And finally starts to get played&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
BF: You picked up those AM stations&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
BF: Do you remember when you started hearing it on Birmingham stations?&#13;
&#13;
NW: ‘42. I listened to that in 1942, WJLD. I start listenin' there. They was playin it yeah, and they would have live programs. Different quartets would go there through the week. That's what I liked.&#13;
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&#13;
NW: Huh?&#13;
&#13;
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NW: I know… We went on the air with them in ‘44&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
NW: with Kelley Choral Singers…&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah so they had been going on&#13;
&#13;
BF: Oh. So you knew that they had played&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah. Gospel&#13;
&#13;
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NW: Yeah. There was a gospel station and an FM station, see.&#13;
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NW: I’m talking later on…&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
NW: : I’m talking later on… I just said there was an FM an a ‘42 station&#13;
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BF: Mhm. Mhm&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah. Real gospel&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
NW: Yeah that was in Bessemer&#13;
&#13;
BF: At the hotel?&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
NW: At the...&#13;
&#13;
BF: At the Realty Building&#13;
&#13;
NW: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
NW: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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NW: Right, right, right&#13;
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Bob Friedman: But it was the same group, huh?&#13;
&#13;
Bobby Smith: Yeah, same group that was at Tri-Phi. Went to, uh, Motown.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right. How did the group get together?&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Oh, where?&#13;
&#13;
BS: In Ferndale, Michigan.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Oh, alright.&#13;
&#13;
BS: We grew up in the same neighborhood and you know, back at that time groups of our caliber was very popular.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
BS: And so that was really just a past time thing to do. Every street corner you found a group of guys harmonizing on the corner.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BS: Uh, we had two or three little groups. Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
BF: I know that there was an SRC label up out of Ferndale. Uh, that produced The DeeJays. A group called The DeeJays.&#13;
&#13;
BS: Uh huh&#13;
&#13;
BF: Um, which was...it was the State Recording Company. But it was not the one that was...not the States label from Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
BS: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BF: But there was a State Recording Company out of Ferndale, Michigan that had a group on it. &#13;
&#13;
BS: Oh&#13;
&#13;
BF: It's hard to find, of course. &#13;
&#13;
BS: Oh, wow. I wasn’t familiar with that myself.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah. From about 1953-54. When did you guys start singing together in high school?&#13;
&#13;
BS: Well...we was just playin' around on the corner.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BS: I guess about in the late 50s. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
BS: And we...&#13;
&#13;
BF: You have any specific....&#13;
&#13;
BS: and Harvey Fuqua and Gwen Gordy about ’59…&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
BS: And that's when they formed Tri Phi records.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
BS: And..."That's What Girls Are Made For" was the first record released on that label in 1961.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right. Right.&#13;
&#13;
BS: So ...from there...we stay on the Tri-Phi label until '64. Tri-Phi label like, could never really get off the ground.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
BS: After "That's What Girls Are Made For" we had some mediocre stuff.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
BS: But after that, the company merged with Motown.&#13;
&#13;
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BS: Yeah, right. So.&#13;
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&#13;
Bob Friedman: Right&#13;
&#13;
FS: And they thought that the walls couldn't fall down and wouldn't. And you really...I have said many times that I don't even think the White people who controlled everything back then, or even today, are fully conscious of how enslaved they were while they had their operatives tryin' to keep us enslaved. You know, um, when you think of the subversive acts between the officials up, all up and down the line. The local officials, the sheriffs, the police, the Klan.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Dave Donnell: Just grew up listening to the radio. WLAC was a popular station at the time with John Richbourg and "Hoss" Allen, but there was a little small station called WVOL there, too. Was very popular and the Black community grew up listening to people, uh, Clarence Kilcrease, better known as "Gilly Baby." I went to his appreciation about...Mm, 'bout six, seven months ago up in Nashville. One of the popular churches there. They were recognizing him. It's been there for years, but grew up listening to people like Ed Hall and Chuck Mitchell. Bill Perkins, Noble Blackwell.&#13;
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Bob Friedman: These were African Americans...&#13;
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DD: Yes&#13;
&#13;
BF: On the air.&#13;
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DD: Mhm. Very popular up there. As a matter of fact, Noble and Bill gave me my break. In Nashville at the time. But I just grew up listening to radio. Enjoyed the personalities. They were always upbeat and it always amazed me how they were able to be this way every day. Just friendly and lively and...course I've always loved music.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: And these guys just intrigued me. And I just listened to 'em day and night. And then late at night, I would turn over on WLAC and listen to "Hoss" Allen, John Richbourg. These guys just really excited me to listen to it.&#13;
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BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
DD: It was just something I started workin' on.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: And practicing my craft. Gettin' me a little small recorder and started recordin' my voice.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: Course, like most guys in this business back durin' that time, I got started in 1969. Started doin' parties.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: And I got recognized around the community doin' that and...&#13;
&#13;
BF: Did ya have your own system?&#13;
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DD: Yeah! Yeah, I did. At that time it was just one turntable. &#13;
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BF: Well...&#13;
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DD: It was an old P.A. system with a microphone and...&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: a couple of speakers.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
DD: And you know you get...&#13;
&#13;
BF: No scratching, huh? &#13;
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DD: (laughs) No scratching, then.&#13;
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BF: (laughs)&#13;
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DD: But, uh...&#13;
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BF: But uh...&#13;
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DD: We drew crowds.&#13;
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BF: What's your date of birth? I should ask that. &#13;
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DD: November 2nd, 1949.&#13;
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BF: Okay.&#13;
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DD: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
BF: Alright&#13;
&#13;
DD: I'll be 66 this year.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Alright&#13;
&#13;
DD: So&#13;
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BF: Well, that's a...&#13;
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DD: It's a blessing&#13;
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BF: Great. Yeah, absolutely.&#13;
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DD: Just two, uh.&#13;
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BF: Look great.&#13;
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BF: Look great. &#13;
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DD: Yeah, great. Thanks.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Oh yeah.&#13;
&#13;
DD: Radio's been good but I've seen it's changed a lot.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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DD: 1470.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: Yeah. Still on. It's...&#13;
&#13;
BF: Was it a...&#13;
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DD: Still there.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Day-timer? Or what was it?&#13;
&#13;
DD: It's 24 hours.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: Um, it goes directional at night. I guess that signal...&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
DD: Matter of fact, back during that time, some people surprisingly telling me they would pick up the signal in Huntsville. Course, it's changed a lot since then.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
DD: Whatever thing is goin' on in radio, but uh, it was a fun time. Eh, those were the fun days of radio. </text>
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Bob Friedman: Hmmmm, of course this is the best picture of Jimmy……&#13;
&#13;
Tommy Jackson: Oh yeah...Jimmy Lawson&#13;
&#13;
Bob: Eh hmmm, he looks like a little stinker...&#13;
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Tommy: He was a hell of a disc jockey. Yeah, and I remember when they had that Sound Off... He was the first one with that talk radio. &#13;
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Tommy: uh huh. &#13;
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Tommy: Well, he talked about the Vietnam War plus he had been in the military too. &#13;
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Bob: hmm&#13;
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Tommy: Jimmy was a First  Lieutenant when he came back here……&#13;
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Tommy: And he would talk about the situation with Birmingham because Birmingham wasn't the best city to be in back in those days because we had Blacks getting killed by policemen every week and all of it was justificable homicide. &#13;
&#13;
Bob: hmm&#13;
&#13;
Tommy: And basically and mainly we didn’t have nothing you know like voter registration, ah, we talked about integration and all this kind of stuff you know and equal opportunity for peoples. That was mainly his conversation and he didn’t hold anything back….&#13;
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Tommy: He didn’t hold back nothing on management, or anything. Jimmy Lawson was just Jimmy Lawson but he’s a real good friend of mine. We came through high school together. I think he got out of high school ah in 62 and I got out in 64. </text>
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Bob Friedman: Um, so, how long do you remember Maurice being at, at W.E.N.N.?&#13;
Lessie King: Well, he was there up until, they changed, um, W.A.T.V.&#13;
BF: Ah, okay, so he was there all the way through the time that, they did the walk-out.&#13;
LK: He did. Yes.&#13;
BF: Announcers because A.G. Gaston...&#13;
LK: Mhm&#13;
BF: Opted to get rid of Joe Lackey, the manager.&#13;
LK: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.&#13;
BF: Do you remember that time?&#13;
LK: Yeah, he was there then.&#13;
LK: And, when they changed, you know,&#13;
when they switched over and got WATV then that's where he went then.&#13;
BF: Right, so he was there at the beginning of WATV.&#13;
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[Shelley Stewart introducing clip of "Thin Man" on the first day WATV was on air]</text>
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                <text>Richard Maurice "Thin Man" King (b.Sept. 15, 1937; d.June 17, 1980) - born in Uniontown, Alabama to mother Ora Lee Evans (her second marriage last name, not her maiden name) and father Konnie King. "Thin Man," as he was known on the air at WENN 1320 AM in the 1960's, had a very distinctive style on the air - explosive is one way to describe his delivery - announcing "Dandy Daddy Thin Man on the air!" King started his radio career in the early 1960's at WCLS, Columbus, Georgia, working with Doctor Jive (referenced by Shelley Stewart on his 1999 WATV broadcast), followed by a stint in Little Rock, Arkansas, before arriving at WENN radio in 1962. He left with most of the WENN staff during the 1976 walk-out protest over the firing of Station Manager Joe Lackey. They took over another station's frequency - 900 AM - and began WATV shortly thereafter in the Cabana Hotel on 2nd Ave North in Birmingham. They were asked to leave the same year and moved to Five Points Ensley Avenue, their current location.&#13;
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Maurice and his wife Lessie married on Dec. 9, 1962 and Lessie King consented to an interview on August 18, 2018 with additional information added on February 6, 2019.&#13;
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Both interviews were conducted over the phone with Lessie at home in Phoenix City, Alabama and Newnan, Georgia. She shares some of her remembrances from her 17 year marriage to Maurice.&#13;
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