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Jesse Champion- I think what really helped the black stations was the fact that people like Bobby Blue Band, Junior Parker, BB King and all would come to the Madison Night Spot, the Grand Terrace and that's where the blacks would go for dances. &#13;
&#13;
Bob Friedman- Where was the Grand Terrace?&#13;
&#13;
JC- It was out on Highway 78. It's on down past Food World,  Food Fair&#13;
 they call it now.&#13;
&#13;
BF- you mean going north towards Memphis.&#13;
&#13;
JC-No,  going west.&#13;
&#13;
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JC- yeah yeah that’s right.  It was on the right hand side of the highway. &#13;
&#13;
BF-Is the building still there?&#13;
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JC- No It’s been torn down.  &#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
JC- because he had cabins that he would rent out as well and he was.. he was tight with Bull Connor, he was one of the few places that could open on Sunday night and have big affairs  and sell booze. &#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
JC-  Foots Shelton.&#13;
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BF- Foots Shelton and he owned the Grand Terrace.&#13;
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JC- He owned the Grand Terrace and then there was a Madison Night Spot on the Bessemer Super Highway.&#13;
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&#13;
JC- Have you? &#13;
&#13;
BF- Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
JC- They still got the cabin standing out there.&#13;
&#13;
BF- Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
JC- A few of them anyway because when they had the big fire, it destroyed everything. But all the club dance, they had a whole lot of social and  savings clubs have their dances at these places.  And they would hear these artists. And on the Radio we would play there Records.&#13;
&#13;
BF- I had heard that um that we did remote broadcast from these places. &#13;
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JC- We did. That’s true. &#13;
&#13;
BF- How did we do it, we hook it up to the phone lines? &#13;
&#13;
JC- Yeah, Yeah that was it,  hooked up to the phone lines. &#13;
&#13;
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JC-  I did some of the remotes from some of the churches.&#13;
&#13;
BF- Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
JC- Bishop Roby’s was my Sunday morning church.  &#13;
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BF- So you would basically hook it up? &#13;
&#13;
JC-No. &#13;
&#13;
BF-  Well Actually.&#13;
&#13;
JC- The engineer would hook it up you know like the day before and everything was in readiness..&#13;
&#13;
BF- And how, what would you do?&#13;
&#13;
JC- And would  check in with the station, check in with the station  well read the commercials.&#13;
&#13;
BF- oh ok.&#13;
&#13;
JC- You know for the people who sponsored it. &#13;
&#13;
BF- Oh I see. &#13;
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Joe Lackey: Course during that month I was riding the streets looking for a place… found that one in 5 Points West &#13;
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JL: moved in there and did just little bit of remodeling and uh moved in there and uh we moved overnight. We signed off at the hotel …signed on the next morning out there…been there ever since ’76.&#13;
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Bob: umm&#13;
&#13;
JL: But you know it’s been a lot of fun… a lot of umm… during the 60’s it was kind of rough we were right there in the middle of it and it was a lot of activity and the night that they bombed the hotel umm… the blast shattered our front window because you know we had that fish bowl thing&#13;
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&#13;
JL: all of our &#13;
&#13;
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JL: Yeah &#13;
&#13;
Bob: the fish bowl&#13;
&#13;
JL: the glass went…  umm nobody touched the building the only thing we had a flood light on the parking lot in the back and they broke that out so they put it in the dark and they broke in the whiskey store and cleaned the whiskey store out…didn’t touch our building. And I was at home on the telephone, Paul White was in the studio giving me a blow by blow description of what was happening… next thing I knew the phone went dead. Cops had come and jerked him out…&#13;
 thought he had broke in. It took me ‘til 4o’clock the next afternoon to find out where he was and get him out of jail cause they had just hauled him off&#13;
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JL: and when I finally found out where he was and get someone to talk to him and get him out, it was about 4 oclock Sunday afternoon we got him out. It happened on a Friday night I think, best I remember,  and uh but you know Monday morning when I came back …&#13;
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 try to come in on the weekend…I came back in the morning… downtown looked like a war zone&#13;
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Zack Allen (ZA): ....you see I got around that you had to think sometimes, so I got in with a record distributor and he would let me use his records, I’d get I’d have the latest one I could carry them and play them then I’d carry them back to him, see that’s how I got around that &#13;
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James Bevel: The first thing that we probably need to do…Bobby D you keep talking about history. See history is a science and if you don’t have history and sociological science you can’t make things happen. So what we first need to do is really go back and extract the science out of the 60s. And what I mean by that. Let’s take the Wright Brothers. You see this Kitty Hawk flying, right? Well something scientific is going on. So you need to find out exactly what these Wright Brothers are doing, so you can replicate it. What they’re doing has nothing to do with their personality; it has to do with science. So what was going on in the 60s had nothing to do with our personalities…now we’re not some magnetic, charismatic, angelic guys. No, we’re some American citizens who discovered that the American constitutional democratic process actually works. That’s what we discovered. But it takes the courage and the honesty to make it work. So we said “Ok, it looks like you’re going to lose your life every time, but you’ve gotta be honest and sincere about what you’re doing, then do it.” So you have to learn that science. Now, then once you learn the science, then we can apply it to the whole question of education. Now let me go back to the sociological science. These guys said – see America is built on a science – now the guys who put the science together signed off on it, saying “We give our lives, our fortune, and our sacred honor.” That’s a total commitment to the idea. Most people don’t want to give that much, but you’d have to say “Wait a minute; we must educate our children. And to this end I give my life, my fortune, and sacred honor.” Now you gotta understand, in America, when you have self-governance you don’t have a king and you don’t have a dictator, the citizens are the authority.</text>
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Bob Friedman- Ben Franklin’s got a picture of himself in front of the old transmitter.&#13;
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Nancy Hodges: ... I could have been 4, or 5.&#13;
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N: Yeah, I can remember my mother letting me wait up for him at night.&#13;
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N: And I think I remember him taking me and my sister to the radio station a couple times and he would let us sit there and we would sing “God Bless America.” (laughs)&#13;
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