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Dr. Bevel. He was my mentor, like Dr. King, Dr. King asked him he said, “well, what are we going to do? The only people that are willing to go now are the children, we can’t put the children out there.” And Bevel figured out a way. So what did he do? He came out to the schools. He couldn’t come on the school grounds, so he set up perimeters, away from the school grounds. On the street, and he asked different people “who are the leaders?” If you were a leader of the student government, he wanted you. If you were the leader of the football team, he wanted you. Well see, I just happened to be the leader of my cheerleaders. So being agile, and somewhat loud, he wanted me. And I was so excited about that.&#13;
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The different leaders that he had were those of us that really knew how to lead. Even though the majority of the leaders were the girls. But guess what, the boys, all we had to do was get the girls. The guys they would come, and they did come. But we had to sign pledges. They would give us a pledge. And the pledge was telling us that this was a nonviolent movement. It was a spiritual movement. &#13;
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"Bo" Berry: He was the….The teacher I'm talking about was Bonnie Mae Peawine. That's right. Fantastic organ player, one of the greatest organ players in this town, man.&#13;
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BB: I really don't, but I could get it.&#13;
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BF: Yeah. That's fabulous. What a fabulous story. So here you are in the band room.&#13;
&#13;
What happens next?&#13;
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BB: The next room. And I ran up talking, the little lady trying to get stuff done.&#13;
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So she was just talking to him. We just had a conversation about playin'… he was telling me about, you know, his playin'. See, see, when I came up man, the reason I have such a love for the music, I came up around these people and these people, from a child, I could realize these people were serious about what they were doing, man.&#13;
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BB: And, and Hooper used to talk to me all the time about playin' and where he played. He, you know, he used to go to New York, I mean he was a professional player.&#13;
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&#13;
Bob Friedman: I was waiting for that.&#13;
&#13;
EG: We uh, we called ourselves “the youth voices of hope...” We sang a cappella.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Of course, and, and...&#13;
&#13;
EG: And this had to be maybe... sixty... probably early six- maybe, before the movement.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhmm.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
EG: No, not Nims Gaye.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Oh, Auguster Maul.&#13;
&#13;
EG: Yes...&#13;
&#13;
BF: From the “Delta Aires.”&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Mhmm.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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BF: Oh.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Okay.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Gary Richardson: I later bought 1220 WAYE... another station I was fired from, ‘cause Black Pope, when he brought me over to WBUL 1220 - (preceded WAYE), I was running my mouth in the studio to a guy - he had worked with, Pope... down he said when you think about his music? I said all this payola music music in here, are you kidding? it was junk, I said, but it was a job. I said all this payola music in there and Pope came in there on a Wednesday and brought me my check. I said payday's early. He said yeah, for you ‘cause it's your last day. He fired me. &#13;
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“Gary, your mouth will get you in trouble.” That's what he told me. But anyway, Pope ended up working for me ‘cause he was later fired. So both of the gentleman who fired me actually ended up working for me. &#13;
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BF: Yup&#13;
&#13;
GR: Al Bell worked for me. And Black Pope ended up workin' for me. &#13;
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(Audience members laugh) &#13;
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GR: And so anyway, we bought WAYE from Bishop Willis.  Willis, he had died and his attorney was handling his estate. So I call it... the lawyer and went up. We paid for that station $225,000. For WAYE 1220 and I had it about two years and I sold it to Rivero Communications, Hispanic group. And we sold it to them for $550k (Five Hundred Fifty Thousand). And we also swapped out a station that Rivero owned. They owned a 12,000 watt AM station, 1360 WIXI. We had just a couple years later, had gotten an upgrade, and an engineer owned it named David Snavely... owned it, got it to be upgraded from 1000 watt, 1360 daytimer to a 12,000 watt daytimer. But it was in Jasper, there was no Mexicans down there. So they had this big ole station. So anyway, to convince me they really wanted Birmingham because they were leasing 1450 AM out of Bessemer. And the owner of the company wanted the station back They needed a Birmingham based station so they came after me, made me an offer I couldn't refuse, double what I paid for it, then got another radio station in the swap.</text>
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Bob Friedman: (laughs) Now you, did you told a story earlier about when Bull Connor was trying to whip up his support and went on radio to do a radio program and you  recorded it and tell us a little bit that.&#13;
&#13;
Ed Boutwell: Okay. It was a one hour program he had bought WAPI radio,  and WSGN and WBRC were rebroadcasting it a long with it. It was all simulcasted.&#13;
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&#13;
EB: On those three stations. He blitzed Birmingham and in it,  he cursed and acted like the very unfriendly person he was. And&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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EB: And the message was, you can't elect, Albert is a friend of the Jews and the Niggers and blah, blah, blah.  Well that just affronted me somethin' terrible. And I was already workin'  with Albert tryin' to make the transition to... &#13;
&#13;
BF: Who made the change? Was that the courts? Was it simply the referendum made the change?&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
EB: I believe.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
EB: And the, but Bull was, ran against Albert for major. And Albert beat 'em handily. And &#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
EB: Right, Albert ran against Bull...and Albert beat him handily&#13;
&#13;
BF: Was it scary that race? Was there, were there threats?&#13;
EB: I got shot at. (laughs)&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
EB: In my little car.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
EB: I had this little bitty Morris Minor.&#13;
&#13;
BF: You had a Morris Minor!&#13;
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&#13;
BF: One of the guys I sang with had a Morris Minor. I was the one who would drive it.&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
EB: And I just floor boarded that little Morris and took off. And they were chasin'...and I got over to &#13;
&#13;
BF: Where was, yeah.&#13;
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EB: There was a White Temple.... was that the name of a restaurant downtown?&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
EB: No. This was downtown Birmingham&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
EB: On North side.  Over in the area where Frank Trexill business was. The ticket printing business over there. Anyway, I knew what I could do and I ran over to the, I think it was called The White Temple Restaurant and I ran up into their parking lot and waited for that car to come and he saw me and ran after me. He came over after me and shooting.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
EB: Shooting. And I remember two gun shots and I ran out the alley. Our car was very narrow. Their car was very big and bad (laughs). They couldn't chase me. And I went runnin' out that and went, I believe, I don't know where I lived at the time, but I hid.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
EB: Think I lived over on Cobb Lane.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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BF: Does this happen after they shot at ya?&#13;
&#13;
EB: Good luck with sequence&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah. Right&#13;
&#13;
EB: 'Round, yeah. Around the same time. And they shot at me and I just freaked out.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Sure&#13;
&#13;
EB: Ya know. Horse and buggy. And I went out through it zoom!   And, sorry about that, ashtray and can I ran over.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
BF: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
EB: I was long gone&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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BF: So you said you ran into Don at – &#13;
&#13;
NW: Manhattan Cleaners. &#13;
&#13;
BF: At Manhattan Cleaners. What – how’d that happen? &#13;
&#13;
DS: All the groups were meeting then, and Leroy was making records. &#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
DS: And that’s where Blue Goose came from.  &#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Joe wasn’t with them then.&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Al Isaac: Some other people along with myself, we created the Junior Civic League because there were a Senior Civic League – just a bunch of neighborhood people that came up the Civic League I guess to help out with things in the neighborhood or neighborhood structure or what have you. Alright and then us kids we’re trying to be grown and we come up with a Junior Civic League, which gave us access to this building while the ball games were being playing there. Which was next door to a vacant lot where they had a Rock-Ola tied to a tree with a chain. And the Reeves boys, they would – they’re from Wenonah. There were two of them. Walter Reeves and Tommy Lee. Walter Reeves and Tommy Lee Reeves. They would dance out there by the tree and people would throw quarters, and fifty-cent pieces, and dimes, and nickels. There was money at the end, you know?  &#13;
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Bob Friedman: Yeah.&#13;
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AI: And they were doing the twist. I can hear Chubby Checker in the background. (Sings) “Come on baby, do the twist” And everybody’s standing around them, alright. And then I would be inside the building there and I would be playing my Tommy Tucker. (Sings) “Put on your red dress baby, ‘cause we’re goin’ out tonight” and I was just so fascinated by that. Did not have a microphone. &#13;
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BF: Just by yourself with your unit. You were playing to the crowd in the football field.&#13;
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AI: Right. They would come in. They would come in because I would also play "Shot Gun" – the girls is what made the audience, created the audience, because I was playing honky-tonk. I would play the record honky-tonk and the girls would come in and do their slide dance that they were doing at that time. It was a slide, but they didn’t call it the slide. &#13;
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Full interview: 02:05:58</text>
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