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Bob Friedman: You remember going to, to these various station locations with your dad.&#13;
&#13;
Rob Puckett: Yeah. Earlier on the Bessemer Superhighway, I was just a kid, but then, on top of the mountain, I would go and, Johnny Jive—Johnny McClure in particular was, you know, very friendly to me. My daddy was recording a show, and I would go into Johnny’s studio. He’d let me look through the cabinet of his old records, you know, ‘cause I was real into rhythm and blues the time when I was at the studio and the big turn tables and play Johnny McClure’s records. &#13;
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              <text>Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth: Segregationists though til eternity. &#13;
&#13;
Bob Friedman: Right&#13;
&#13;
FS: And they thought that the walls couldn't fall down and wouldn't. And you really...I have said many times that I don't even think the White people who controlled everything back then, or even today, are fully conscious of how enslaved they were while they had their operatives tryin' to keep us enslaved. You know, um, when you think of the subversive acts between the officials up, all up and down the line. The local officials, the sheriffs, the police, the Klan.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
FS: The judges, the leaders of Birmingham who said they were making progress. Foolin' people... since they were tryin' to get justice and had...didn't have justice on their mind......&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
FS: I used to say... I don't know how the Lord got, had me to  figure it out, but segregation was a sort of a three tiered thing. They'd say well if the Klan don't stop you, the police will. It's the police miss ya then the courts'll get ya.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Right&#13;
&#13;
FS: So you, what you would just...it was designed and nobody could pay. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
FS: You shall not pass.&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
FS: But, uh, I always said well God said light shines in darkness and darkness can't stop it.&#13;
&#13;
BF: We have some similar problems today with the courts. Uh...&#13;
&#13;
FS: Oh yes.&#13;
&#13;
BF: That are very tough in Alabama.&#13;
&#13;
FS: Yes&#13;
&#13;
BF: To get, uh...I mean our...You're probably familiar we had a big brawl and still continue to in terms of the ownership of the water system.&#13;
&#13;
FS: Oh yeah&#13;
&#13;
BF: And of always had to go up against judges who seem to have their minds made up already. Uh.&#13;
&#13;
FS: I call that a system of spiritual wickedness in high place, when you get in the high place, and forget what you're there for...let politics, uh, intrigue really stops the progress of the people moving forward. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Yes&#13;
&#13;
FS: I think that's the main thing. I don't...&#13;
&#13;
BF: That's the main thing.&#13;
&#13;
FS: I think people in position...well when you have position and power...&#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhm&#13;
&#13;
FS: You can really slow progress. How you can help to get forward and I always believed that you oughta use opportunities that God gives you to move things forward and make things better for people.</text>
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Bob Friedman: This is just terrific.  There’s just so much in this book.  And so many wonderful pictures of artists from all across the country.  And now I’m gonna ask you some questions I have just… because my socks are knocked off.  I’m almost speechless here when I look at these absolutely fabulous pictures.  The Orioles, you got a picture of the Orioles.  Of course, we have a picture of the Orioles when they came to visit WEDR.  Roy Milton, Arthur “Big Boy” Crudup, Nelly Lutcher.  Just fabulous.  A fabulous, fabulous, fabulous book.  Tell us Mr. Cox in your words.., how old were you in 1952?&#13;
Tommy Cox: uh,  16.&#13;
B: You were 16 in ’52.  So you were born in 1936?&#13;
T: Correct.&#13;
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T: And I listened to that.  I don’t remember who announced.  One time they had a girl on there.&#13;
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B: Uh huh.&#13;
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T: Right.&#13;
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T: Right.&#13;
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SS: Yes, sir.&#13;
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PW: It was, uh, back in the 60’s, I can’t tell you-&#13;
SS: Well if I tell you, if I tell you the year, Paul, uh, would you remember?&#13;
PW: Yes!&#13;
SS: If I told you that it was Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-One?&#13;
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SS: And changed your name.&#13;
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&#13;
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BF: For your entire life&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Caller: most people who talk about these issues are in the Democratic Party already, we’re the rank and file.&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: And I…&#13;
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Fifth Caller: White women and minorities. &#13;
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Dr. Fulani: In ‘84…&#13;
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Gary: Listen what she has to say…&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: In ‘84 when Reverend Jackson, I guess that was the Mondale race, tried to do exactly what you’re doing, what you’re saying about rallying the rank and file. The leadership of the party changed the rules of the game so that he went into the convention after having gotten twenty-one percent of the vote on the ground with eleven percent of the delegates, and the party structure, the leadership said, we’ll move the presidential election to keep the more progressive forces and black forces within this party from taking hold. That was 1984 and this is 2006. I learned that in 1985. &#13;
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&#13;
Fifth Caller: Excuse me, I disagree with that. I think…&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: Well then why aren’t you all doing better? Why’d you let them change the rules on Jesse? How come Jesse got treated like that? Who do you think they were slapping in the face…&#13;
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Dr. Fulani: Why didn’t you all make a pro, I mean an anti-war statement? How come the delegates at convention in 2001 didn’t stand up, or 2004, and say to the leadership, “we aren’t pro-war. These, the people that are going to be sent into war, our children</text>
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Bob Friedman: So where did Bob Umbach come from? and Trumon Puckett. Where, how did they?&#13;
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Lewis Kendrick: Well, Trumon was a Birmingham guy and he worked somewhere. Had a regular job. And I’ve forgotten what he did really. But he would come out there and...had that hour program and then he got into promotion. In promoting groups coming into Birmingham to the auditorium for these concerts.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: And&#13;
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BF: See he worked. He worked with Black artists didn’t he?&#13;
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LK: Uh&#13;
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BF: With gospel? Gospel artists?&#13;
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LK: Yeah. Totally.&#13;
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BF: Mhm. Trumon Puckett.&#13;
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LK: Right&#13;
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BF: That's remarkable&#13;
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LK: And, um, which a was most unusual thing.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: ..back then.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: I mean it was borderline. Because normally Black managers and Black promoters did whatever was being done, with the Black people and.&#13;
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BF: Mhm&#13;
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LK: And the White did the other.&#13;
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LK: And this was a… well I would say the beginning of a breakthrough on a lot of the amalgamation of the two.&#13;
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BF: Yeah. True.&#13;
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LK: I... &#13;
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LK: Umbach came to us from Florida.&#13;
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LK: As I remember&#13;
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LK: Yeah&#13;
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LK: Yeah. And I. I’m almost sure he came from Florida and went back to.&#13;
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LK: Okay Bob. Yes, there's something that’s in the back of my mind. And I'll be damned if I can resurrect it</text>
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Audio snippet: 2 minutes</text>
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