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Bob Friedman: So where are you in ’76?&#13;
&#13;
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BF: So you’re hearing about it. Did Gaston come up to see you guys? &#13;
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CMS: Uh-huh. Gaston and his wife, Minnie. That’s her name, Minnie.&#13;
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CMS: And so, they came up and stayed with us for – actually, they stayed with Larry and his wife. Bob and I, we had an apartment. Larry and his wife had a house. And they stayed for a few days and we all just got together and everything. And that was his pitch to Larry, is “I want you to come down. Y’all come down and I want you to start this radio station up for me.” Obviously he’d heard some great things. So that’s when we packed up, moved back to Birmingham, and I was kicking and crying like a baby. I did not want to come back. &#13;
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&#13;
CMS: I loved it there. I had carved a life there. It was just great. &#13;
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BF: You mean being on the air?&#13;
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CMS: No, I wasn’t on the air at that time I was just a little girl, a housewife – &#13;
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BF: You were happy. &#13;
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CMS: I was happy there with my friends. I met a lot of people there. ConFunkShun, I met them there. You know? I met a lot of people. But anyway, we got back here, and that’s when they came in and just – they actually brought that format.   &#13;
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CMS: No, they’re not from Little Rock. They were just there playing. &#13;
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CMS: I met them there, yeah. Right. Uh-huh. Very good friends with them. But when they came back, Larry and Bob – you know, of course they were inseparable, Bob was his sidekick – they brought that format back. Whatever format that was at KALO they brought it back here. KALO was a very progressive station. It wasn’t like the old-timey WENN Radio station here in the South. There it was very progressive. &#13;
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BF: What does that mean to you, progressive?&#13;
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CMS: Progressive? It means that, you know, they weren’t, you know, like the ringing of the cowbells or the screaming over the air. You know what I mean? It wasn’t like that. It was like straight radio. Like almost like Top-40, but in a Black market. So that was kind of new, that I had never heard before coming from Birmingham, right? Well, I mean a little bit we did 'cause I grew up in that hippie era with Father Tree and all of that and I was aware. But up there in KALO it was different. So, they brought that format back here</text>
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Bob Friedman: And where, and so the picture that people can see is a picture of Paul broadcasting at A&amp;M, right?&#13;
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Bobby Hayden: And one day's time I met the man who wrote the order. I met the man who refused to pass on the order. I met the man who passed the order on. I met the man who carried it out. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnston. All in one lifetime, all in one day.</text>
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GSG: I’m talking about the students at Ullman High School. In addition to my own two sisters Dot and Deborah. We would leave out of the school, it must have been, three– four hundred of us. We would leave out of the school, and this particular day we got about a half a block from the school and we looked up and we saw police everywhere.</text>
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Bob Friedman: We got a picture from Ben Franklin, who was the engineer at JLD for a long time. &#13;
&#13;
Gatemouth Moore: Oh yeah!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Ben. You know Ben. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Very nice guy. Very nice guy. And Ben told us that Bob Umbach used to play—&#13;
&#13;
GM: All my blues!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Christmas Blues records by you. &#13;
&#13;
GM: My blues.That’s right!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Ben Franklin had a great memory. &#13;
&#13;
GM: When I was a blues singer!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Great memory. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah, yeah. &#13;
&#13;
BF: And Roberta Rolland. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah, she was on the weekends. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Mhmm. We—&#13;
&#13;
GM: For Mister Epps. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Mister Epps for the funeral&#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah. Epps Jewelry. Him and Deacon Davis. Her and Deacon Davis. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Deacon Richmond Davis for Epps Jewelry...&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
BF: W.A. Clark? &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah, he was famous. &#13;
&#13;
BF: From Saint Peter’s Primitive? &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah, baptist church. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Yeah, yeah. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah and I’m tryin’, I’m almost— Walter! Walter Anglin!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Walter Anglin was back in the 50s?!&#13;
&#13;
GM: Yes sir!&#13;
&#13;
BF: No kidding… &#13;
&#13;
GM: Walter Anglin! He was with me when I was at WEDR. With me. Walter Anglin. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Now you see, he’s such an old. He’s eighty-two years old. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Who?&#13;
&#13;
BF: Walter is. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Well, I’m eighty. &#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
GM: When I started. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Well, see now—&#13;
&#13;
GM: In 1950!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Now, we gotta get a picture of Walter from that period. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Walter Anglin. He went up to JLD. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Right, he came—&#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah. That’s who I was tryin’ to tell you about. Walter Anglin!&#13;
&#13;
BF: We got, we got pictures of Walter, you know. The 60s…&#13;
&#13;
GM: Listen, I started…Listen, I put Shelly (Stewart) on the air for the first time. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Where? On EDR? &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yes!&#13;
&#13;
BF: Uh-huh. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Doing my show for me. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Ok. &#13;
&#13;
GM: I’m the fella who put Shelley in radio. He told you that? &#13;
&#13;
BF: He didn’t mention that. &#13;
&#13;
GM: Well, you better tell him, tell him Gatemouth said that. &#13;
&#13;
BF: Ok.&#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
BF: And Walter was a newsman? &#13;
&#13;
GM: Yeah, news and, one of the best there...&#13;
&#13;
BF: Oh that’s great. &#13;
&#13;
GM: In the 50's. Walter Anglin. &#13;
&#13;
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Bob Friedman: Um, so, how long do you remember Maurice being at, at W.E.N.N.?&#13;
Lessie King: Well, he was there up until, they changed, um, W.A.T.V.&#13;
BF: Ah, okay, so he was there all the way through the time that, they did the walk-out.&#13;
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LK: Mhm&#13;
BF: Opted to get rid of Joe Lackey, the manager.&#13;
LK: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.&#13;
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&#13;
[Shelley Stewart introducing clip of "Thin Man" on the first day WATV was on air]</text>
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                <text>Richard Maurice "Thin Man" King (b.Sept. 15, 1937; d.June 17, 1980) - born in Uniontown, Alabama to mother Ora Lee Evans (her second marriage last name, not her maiden name) and father Konnie King. "Thin Man," as he was known on the air at WENN 1320 AM in the 1960's, had a very distinctive style on the air - explosive is one way to describe his delivery - announcing "Dandy Daddy Thin Man on the air!" King started his radio career in the early 1960's at WCLS, Columbus, Georgia, working with Doctor Jive (referenced by Shelley Stewart on his 1999 WATV broadcast), followed by a stint in Little Rock, Arkansas, before arriving at WENN radio in 1962. He left with most of the WENN staff during the 1976 walk-out protest over the firing of Station Manager Joe Lackey. They took over another station's frequency - 900 AM - and began WATV shortly thereafter in the Cabana Hotel on 2nd Ave North in Birmingham. They were asked to leave the same year and moved to Five Points Ensley Avenue, their current location.&#13;
&#13;
Maurice and his wife Lessie married on Dec. 9, 1962 and Lessie King consented to an interview on August 18, 2018 with additional information added on February 6, 2019.&#13;
&#13;
Both interviews were conducted over the phone with Lessie at home in Phoenix City, Alabama and Newnan, Georgia. She shares some of her remembrances from her 17 year marriage to Maurice.&#13;
&#13;
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Bob Friedman: Hmmmm, of course this is the best picture of Jimmy……&#13;
&#13;
Tommy Jackson: Oh yeah...Jimmy Lawson&#13;
&#13;
Bob: Eh hmmm, he looks like a little stinker...&#13;
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Tommy: He was a hell of a disc jockey. Yeah, and I remember when they had that Sound Off... He was the first one with that talk radio. &#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
Tommy: He didn’t hold back nothing on management, or anything. Jimmy Lawson was just Jimmy Lawson but he’s a real good friend of mine. We came through high school together. I think he got out of high school ah in 62 and I got out in 64. </text>
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DD: And I got recognized around the community doin' that and...&#13;
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&#13;
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Sam Frazier Jr.: You know, I had to get up every mornin' and go out there and milk that cow. He really picked that cotton and all that. He had all that stuff there. I had to bail hay. I went through the whole country life,  I did it all.&#13;
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